10.011 If the forces are equal, and one attacks ten...

[sonshi]

If the forces are equal, and one attacks ten, this is called flight. If the troops are strong but the officers weak, this is called insubordination. If the officers are strong but the troops weak, this is called deterioration.

If the forces are equal, and one attacks ten, this is called flight.
Organnization lack of direction and lack of resources.


If the troops are strong but the officers weak, this is called insubordination. If the officers are strong but the troops weak, this is called deterioration.

Troops strong, Officers weak means the organization does not possess any long term direction.

Officers are strong but the troops weak means the organization's lack of performance.

Professionally, I have seen these strategic errors in the many organizations that I have worked for. Kind of pathetic.

[gonzo]

Weak leadership will always lead to insubordination. Just as strong command but incapable troops is detioration. Equal strength is the key to success. Too strong at either the top or the bottom will cause weaknesses to occur.

Gonzo

[HALBLEU]

The idea organization of an Supreme Strategist General (SSG) is that its army commander, officers and troops should always be balanced and disciplined from top to bottom. Orders from the commanders are always obeyed. Respect between the Officers and the troops should be mutual.

Sun Tzu said, "If the forces are equal, and one attacks ten, this is called flight. If the troops are strong but the officers weak, this is called insubordination. If the officers are strong but the troops weak, this is called deterioration."

The general knows to maintain the army's integrity that he must maintain cohesiveness so that the combined individuals will act as one force and their power will be concentrated. The officers and troops need to maintain standards of integrity and do the right thing right.

[pawn12]

Obviously if one in ten is participating then tthere are logical reasons for this. It could be poor troops or poor leadership. It can also be combinations of lack of directions or resources.

There are real reasons why organizations and people do not achieve the target objectives. This Quote can be used as a tool to quantify and qualify the reasons for failure and success.

One needs to be strong on the critical factors for success. As one goes along the continum into more competitive areanas. One needs at times to be again strong on critical success factors but also on minor ones as well.

There also seems to be a need to be able to come up to speed quickly on new critical success factors as they present themselves.

Leadership weakness leads to insubordination and troop weakness leads to deterioration.

Many different ways to assess and quantify. One can not help but examine them.

pawn12

[Truthseeker]

"If the troops are strong but the officers weak, this is called insubordination."

Oh the "leaders" (I use this term very loosley) I have had the unfortunate opportunity to report to who had absolutley zero cognition for the principles of the AoW. Makes one wonder how some of these "professionals" find themselves at the upper echelons of anything, much less on organization whose success clearly depends on the leader planning his work and working his plan.

In my experience with these types they could not tell you any of the strengths or weaknesses of their competition. There was no forward thinking, no foreknowledge, nothing. The idea seemed to be all offensive without any methods for being on offense. They took the Scarface machine gun approach. Just go out to the marketplace and begin with "Say ello to mey lil friend".

I suppose since we are reading a document that is 2,500 years old which takes note of these poor leadership values, we should not expect them to disappear anytime soon.

[Truthseeker]

Originally posted by sonshi
If the forces are equal, and one attacks ten, this is called flight. If the troops are strong but the officers weak, this is called insubordination. If the officers are strong but the troops weak, this is called deterioration.

The leader has a certain contol over the loyalty of his men. Provide him a valuable reason for fighting for you and he will be loyal. In most cases insubordination can be quelled by simple acts of kindness and understanding from the leader. If your organinzation is deteriorating your eye has not been on the ball and you have lost control of the situation. What follows deterioration is the collapse of the empire. Confusion is a result of a lack of organization, which can only come from the top. Of course once things are in chaos, setbacks are sure to follow.

[Yin]

Originally Posted by sonshi

In warfare, there are flight, insubordination, deterioration, collapse, chaos, and setback. These six situations are not caused by Heaven or Ground, but by the general.

Originally Posted by sonshi

If the forces are equal, and one attacks ten, this is called flight. If the troops are strong but the officers weak, this is called insubordination. If the officers are strong but the troops weak, this is called deterioration.

Originally Posted by sonshi

If the officers are angry and insubordinate, doing battle with the enemy under anger and insubordination, and the general does not know their abilities, this is called collapse.

Originally Posted by sonshi

If the general is weak and not disciplined, his instructions not clear, the officers and troops lack discipline and their formation in disarray, this is called chaos.

Originally Posted by sonshi

If the general cannot calculate his enemy, and uses a small number against a large number, his weak attacking the strong, and has no selected vanguard, this is called setback.

Originally Posted by sonshi

These are the six Ways of defeat. They are the general's responsibility, and must be examined. Formations of the ground assist the army.

these six must be attended with attention by the commander of men or be attended by no one at his/her funeral