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03.013 A general is the safeguard of the nation...

A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.

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If the general does a good job of leading, this translates into lots of good things. General does a bad job, and things will eventually go bad.

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A well trained and wise cadre of military officers is a valuable resource to any nation.

In the 1930s Josef Stalin went on a killing spree and order the murders of millions of Soviet Citizens. Included among them were many military officers. when Hitler reneged on the secret Ribbentrop/Molotov pact and invaded the USSR, Stalin's forces were ill prepared in part because Stalin had murdered numerous senior and junior military officers in the years leading up to the German invasion of the USSR.

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When an organization embrace those same qualities that the leader possesses. Those same traits become the foundation of the company. In the early days of Silicon Valley, Bill Hewlett and David Packard devise a list of positive qualities that they believe that their company should follow. That list later become the "HP Way".

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"A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong."-Sun-tzu.

The general is the head of the army. Without the head then the rest cannot function. The general holds up the people in that he leads them and commands them. Chaos will be erupted without a proper general, disorder will be many.

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The leader must have total support in order to effectively win a conflict. Any doubt or lack of support will be extremely detramental.

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Sun Tzu said, “A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.”

A general earns his rank through merit. He should be allowed to perform his job without interference. If he proves that he can not do his job then he should be replaced not directed.

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"A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong."

The importance of the general is always emphasized by Sunzi.
A competent and wise strategist is the treasure of his army, and thus the safeguard of his country.

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Things start at the top. Generals/managers have biggest impact. This is critical position. The right general will help you being undefeated. The wrong one will make you fall.

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A general is the safeguard of the nation.


A general (and his army) is what keeps a nation safe from outisiders. A general must remember that is his job and must do it well, for the safety of his nation depends on him.

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When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong.


If a nation has a strong, well led army, it will be safe and it will stand strong against invaders.

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When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.


This is the opposite of the earlier line. If a nation has a weak army or weak leaders, it will be in constant danger and will be defeated and subjagated by it's enemies.

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A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.

If a good general has the full support of the nation then both shall stand strong. If a good general hasn't got this support its bad, if a bad general doesn't have this support its worse.

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It seems to take a lifetime to "grow" an exceptional leader. At other times they pop up in the most unexpected places. I think that we are all leaders and that the mundane things that currently occupy our lives can be seen through the perspective of a training room philosophy. We are becoming better leaders today when we learn from our day to day mistakes and errors. We can become aware of habitual patterns that hold the keys to greatness. I firmly believe that greatness in a leader begins in the development of belief systems and values that ultimately make sense within the context of the "bigger picture".

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A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.

The general gets his authority to lead the army by the ruler. Therefore he is the guardian of the security of the nation. If he doesn't do his job right, the whole nation will be in danger.

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Now the general is the bulwark of the State;if the bulwark is complete at all points; the State will be strong; if the bulwark is defective, the State will be weak.
A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.
"The general is the supporting pillar of state. If his talents are all encompassing, the state will invariably be strong. If the supporting pillar is marked by fissures, the state will invariably grow weak.

I think this statement speaks of the character of the general. A general must be righteous, honorable, trustworthy. Having a moral ground is as important if not more important than tactical skill.

a quote from T'ai Kung's Six Secret Teachings: "In winter the general does not wear a fur robe, in summer does not carry a fan, and in rain does not set up a canopy, he is called a 'general of proper form'. Unless the general himself submits to these observances, he will not have the means to know the cold and warmth of the officers and soldiers.
If they advance into ravines and obstacles or encounter muddy terrain, the general always takes the first steps, he is termed a 'general of strength'. If the general does not personally exert his strength, he has no means to know the labors and hardships of the officers and soldiers.
If only after the men are settled in their encampment does the general retire; only after all the cooks have finished their cooking does he go in to eat; he is termed a 'general who stifles desire.' Unless the general himself practices stifling his desires, he has no way to know the hunger and satiety of the officers and troops.
The general shares heat and cold, labor and suffering, hunger and satiety with the officers and men. Therefore when the masses of the Three Armies hear the sound of the drum they are happy, and when they hear the sound of the gong they are angry. When attacking a high wall or crossing a deep lake under a hail of arrows and stones, the officers will compete to be first to scale the wall. When the naked blades clash, the officers will compete to be the first to go forward. It is not because they like death and take pleasure in being wounded, but because the general knows their feelings of heat and cold, hunger and satiety, and clearly displays his knowledge of their labor and suffering."

"Not only should you talk the talk but walk the walk."

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A general is the safeguard of the nation. When this support is in place, the nation will certainly be strong. When this support is not in place, the nation will certainly not be strong.

Master Wu begins a discourse on the necessity for wise generals and the military frailty of vainglorious rulers. A nation that has the service of a general who appreciates the Way of warfare is a nation that will be safer against foreign aggression than will a nation that has inferior military leadership. A nation that does not have infrastructure of a military leadership wise to the Way of warfare cannot be strong over the long-term.

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