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06.019 The few are those preparing to defend against others...

The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them.

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Many have the aggressive posture. You cannot win a war on defense alone.

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The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them.


It is the number game. Use the least resources and amount of manpower to prepare against the opposition. One create the illusion that you have many, so it forces the oppostion to defend all of the offensive possibilities.

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Skilled armies are feared by most every nation. Not so much for what they may have done on teh battlefield, but rather for what they potentially might do in future wars.

Certainly, the Chinese, as well as many other nations, were in awe of the USA technological prowess during the Gulf War, as well they should have been.

There are risks to be #1 in a warfighting sense. There is no place to go but down. Throughout history, every great military force and nation eventually met its demise. Sometimes from conquoers from without but more often from elements from within.

When a country is #1 there is a growing risk that the lower ranks will often resort to "unconventional" methods in order to preserve their assets. Thus these lower ranked elements of the enemy usually resort to hit-and-run attacks following the indirect approach.

And often, there is an inverse relationship between the technological edge of the #1 ranked military might and the degree of sheer fanaticism shown by the aspirants from the lower ranked countries.

That the USA literally has realigned key elements of its society and also spent billions of dollars to "shore up" its Homeland security is a testament to the amount of respect that the National Command Authorities give to certain rogue and terrorist elements based in the Arab world.

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Sun Tzu said, "The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them."

If the general uses wisdom, she can correlate her forces with the oppositions forces so that she can use economy to efficiently and effectively minimize the expenditure for defense, and at the same time make the opposition spend an uncontrollable amount of resources on guarding for every contingency.

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Who are meant in this section by "the few," and "the many." Does Sun Tzu mean that the few are the ones that, if able to utilize this strategy will succeed?

Can someone answer in regards to this part of my question? Thank you... I'd appreciate it.

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While the Supreme Strategist is prepared to fight against the enemy, He or she create and develops various forms of deceptions that forces the enemy to fight him/her in many fronts.

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If you are elusive, and constantly take the initiative, then it is almost impossible to prepare against you.

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It probably speaks to a strength in numbers philosophy. Be aligning onself with the biggest players one can save from always having to be prepared to fight the "biggest guy on the bus" type idea.....and all his friends too.

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Defense pattern follows expected attack pattern in most of the cases. Defendants prepare for what they think the attack will look like. Clearly it is a response to the possibilities of attack. Or rather perceived possibilities of attack.

There are two parts of the game. First one, the mind game and the second happening in the real world. If you can control the way your opponent thinks about you then you have gained an advantage.

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Always prepare for defense

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The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them.


It seems as though when we are in the infancy stages of building an organization, team or group, no one minds devoting the time necessary that is required for laying out the strategy to accomplish our objectives. Everyone is of one mind and focused on the same thing.

A lot of times, however, the larger organizations who have been in existence long enough to experience success, forget how they arrived at this upper echelon of achievement. Those long hours spent in the think tank devising a winning strategy that charted the course to their present victories, escape them. Strategy and planning then take a back seat to the next flashy idea that looks and sounds good.

In verses 20 through 23, ST makes clear the ramifications of a lack of planning for even the larger competitors. I suppose in addition to the other well thought out interpretations for this passage that are represented in this forum another meaning I glean from what ST is saying here is that strategic planning is not reserved for those with a small number of troops. Those with a larger army should take heed as well.

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The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them.

Numbers game ...

The defender awaiting attack assumes the position of the weak. That is why they defend. The defence assumes the attack will come in with extra numbers, or why would it come at all?

The attacker, however, is made so by numbers also. The simple fact of the differential places them in the position of having the opponent attempt to foreshadow their moves, forestall their initiative.

Thus, even before battle is joined, the assumptions upon which combat works place the defence in the position of being few, the attack in that of the many. The Sage General accounts for this in laying out dispositions.

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Re: 06.019 The few are those preparing to defend against others...

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The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them.


Numerical weakness comes from having to prepare against possible attacks; numerical strength, from compelling our adversary to make these preparations against us.

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Re: 06.019 The few are those preparing to defend against others...

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The few are those preparing to defend against others, the many are those who make others prepare to defend against them.

Allies have to be choosen wisely. In case if somebody asks you to be his ally, consider who is preparing to defend and who is preparing to attack.

If they are at the side of few, then you'll be attacked by the many. If they are at the side of many, then you'll be forced to attack the few.

Therefore, consider the numbers, do the math properly and make sure you are on the right side. Don't ever get sucked somebody's else already lost war.

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When you have little force available to you, you'll be forced by circumstance to concentrate it to achieve any results. This inflexibility makes you predictable since you can't divide your force without reducing it to ineffective chunks. You'll be forced to concentrate what few resources you have every time your interests are threatened, placing you on the defensive at the whim of your opponents.

On the other hand, with a lot of force available to you, you can threaten multiple targets and force others to react to you, putting them on the defensive.

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