12.012 Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful...

Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful will be cheerful again, but a destroyed nation cannot exist again, the dead cannot be brought back to life.

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Re: 12.012 Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful...

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Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful will be cheerful again, but a destroyed nation cannot exist again, the dead cannot be brought back to life.

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People change and get over things. Tangible objects can be rebuilt. But dead people cannot be brought back to life.

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The supreme general knows the consequences of executing a "fire attack". He or she knows that the emotions must be in check before releasing the attack..

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What a strong passage. The Sun Tzu, very artfully, uses powerfully opposed emotions to lead us to the point. Though emotions are strong and, at times, extreme, the Sun Tzu reminds us that recovery will occur. Even though grief may feel so strong that we may think it will never pass, it eventually yields to joy, peace and contentment. We may experience wrathfullness and anger so powerfully that we feel almost possessed by them. Then, in time, those emotions usually yield to forgiveness or kindness or even love. We, by nature, expect recovery to occur and we expect things to return to normal. Here the Sun Tzu reminds us that a "destroyed nation cannot exist again". Destruction is complete - the dead will NOT rise again in this life. A destroyed nation will never exist as it did before the destruction - recovery is impossible.

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The great general knows that anger and other such emotions should be forgtten on the battlefield. Disasterous consequences should follow if not.

Anger always gives way to placidness, to act in anger is to risk everything. Wrath breeds distrust.

What good is fighting for control of a nation only to destroy it. Acting out of rashness can bring defeat destroying one's own nation.
If those living in the nation you fight for are killed then it is a nation no longer, it is a grave. Equally: what good is it to fight for a nation when your troops are dead, death is absolute.

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Sun Tzu said, "Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful will be cheerful again, but a destroyed nation cannot exist again, the dead cannot be brought back to life."

The general knows that war is the most serious option for a nation to take. There are no second chances in war and the lives are taken can not be given back. War is always a failure of the human condition. It is our weakness.

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This is a really powerful aphorism on the importance of self-restraint in the face of battle.

An historical example of this was seen in the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Israel restrained itself from entering the war against Iraq when Saddam began firing Scud missiles at Tel Aviv. Saddam had guessed (perhaps accurately) that if Israel could be provoked into entering the war that this would undermine Arab support for the U.S.-led coalition and possibly make the war more difficult for the U.S. Israel wisely considered that the long-term advantages of restraint outweighed the immediate desire for revenge and so they stayed out of the war and the U.S.'s coalition against Iraq remained solid.

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Easy does it

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Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful will be cheerful again, but a destroyed nation cannot exist again, the dead cannot be brought back to life.

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fire

The more I reflerct on this passage the more I see that when this pasage was penned. A fire attack could literally mean the death of another and not really the milder version of settling a score for example.

It forces me to think as well about my own grudges and scores. Anger is a fire that not only destroys the target by the author of it as well.

The AoW war describes very effective ways of getting things that we need or want. I do feel that once it's logic is understood it ought not be employed for trivia or needless wrathful purpose.

Because some of the results from the logical extension of these theorums (literal) are permenant and non reversable. They need to be examaned with the coolest and most detached minds available and in my opinion only be released in accordance with the way or the greatest possible good.

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Re: 12.012 Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful...

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Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful will be cheerful again, but a destroyed nation cannot exist again, the dead cannot be brought back to life.

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That's one of the quotations I most like.

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Originally posted by Cardinal999
If one were angry, he/she should be calm and patient for a moment. It is important that one should never make a decision of deploying an "lethal" fire attack out of haste and anger.

Based on my experience as a techie lead and a former coach, the toughest thing to do is to emotional restrait oneself from doing something based on negative emotional compulsion.

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yes....

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interesting quote

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