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13.006 What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals...

What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge.

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To defeat your opposition and achieve your objectivesm you must have the right stuff (ForeKnowledge).
In my group, we believe in this quote "Foresight brings insights".

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Foreknowledge can be achieved by detached analysis of reliable data, but when analysis is supplemented by espionage, it is tempered by reality and migrates away from the realm of theory pie-in-the-sky groupthink.

One can study and analyze for years what it is like to scuba dive or travel to the moon, but one day as a scuba diver or as an astronaut will likely eclipse all of the theoretical knowledge and contemplation.

If one were strategizing a campaign that involves deep sea diving or space travel, it would be foolish not to consult scuba divers or astronauts, respectively.

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What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge.


To understand the opposition and achieve his objectiveism, the Wise Strategist must have the ForeKnowledge on the opposition's strategy.

In my group, we believe in this quote "Foresight brings insights".


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Knowledge of what your opponent's situation is, is more valuable than your own weight in gold. Knowing what your opponent is about to do will allow you to counter him before he even moves.

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Good foreknowledge from the spy gives the Ruler and the Strategist-General an internal view point to the strategic movements of the enemy. Good foreknowledge allows both the Ruler and his Strategist-General a great chance of winning the war. It helps alot if both principals appreciates the effort of gathering the data.

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this is a piece of information that has been known since man ventured out of his cave; though it does not make it any less important to sun tzu's argument. this is used as another cornerstone in the building of the argument being delivered to the reader.

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Foreknowledge is paramount because it enables one to discern the form that the opposing side most likely will adopt.
Once their form is revealed a plan can be devised to defeat the opposing side.

Moreover, foreknowledge gained through the application of the five types of spies, permits one to create feints and institutional or organizational obstructions in the path of the opposing side. This forces the other side to expend their resources on preliminary matters and it can distract them from achieving their goals.

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Sun Tzu said, "What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge. "

The general needs to use accurate, credible, and objective intelligence to correlate her forces against the oppositions. The information for the general comes from reconnaissance, surveillance and espionage. When the general makes her decisions they are based upon a “picture” extrapolated from aggregated information. The combined aggregated information can be called foreknowledge.

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What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge.


One of the reasons foreknowledge is so effective is due to the fact that so few extend any time to obtain it. Foreknowledge proffers information about the enemy that he most likely does not possess about ourselves. Thus we begin the battle with an advantage.

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Hmmmmnnn.....foreknowldege
Well, most of my struggles have been with work and my pursuit of it. I am trying to figure out myself how I can begin to implement this strategy in my job search.

I probably have to start with a list. I 'll keep you folks posted.

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Re: 13.006 What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals...

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What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge.
know yourself,know your enemy,know the terrain,know the seasons and times,know the rules of nature.

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